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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 04:31:16 PST
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Ham-Space Digest            Wed, 16 Mar 94       Volume 94 : Issue   59

Today's Topics:
                  AFC , Doppler, Trakbox and IC475H
                          Antennas (2 msgs)
                      DSP2232 and STEP Function
                Guide to the Personal Radio Newsgroups
             Two-Line Orbital Element Set:  Space Shuttle

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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 16:54:03 GMT
From: pacbell.com!att-out!att-in!news.bu.edu!olivea!charnel!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!eff!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!csd.unb.ca!upei.ca!UPEI.CA!@@ihnp4.ucsd.edu
Subject: AFC , Doppler, Trakbox and IC475H
To: [e-mail]

It is my understanding that the G3RUH modem and the TAPR PSK modem have an
interface circuit in order to correct for doppler shift using the MIC up/
down pin in the ICOM radios.

I have not yet seen any interfaces that can be used with the DSP2232 or the
TAPR Trakbox - both of which have a separate outputs for MIC UP and MIC DOWN
frequency control. Since there is only the one mic up/dn pin in the IC 275,
475 etc I was wondering if anyone is aware of an interface circuit in order
to place two outputs ( from the DSP 2232 or Trakbox) into the MIC PIN 3
input. Comments, suggestions as to methods used by other modems or designs
would be greatly appreciated as well as I would like to observe the
difference on AO-16 using MIC stepping rather than through CAT control of
the IC475.

Thanks for considering this request for information.

73, Dave, VY2DCS
Internet: [e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 14:28:46 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!emory!wa4mei!ke4zv![e-mail]
Subject: Antennas
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Cowan, Roland MSG) writes:
>Ref AO-13:
>
>I found out today that "nobody likes the Cushcraft satellite antennas".
>Is this a fact or just an opinion?

It's a fact jack. :-)  Actually, Cushcraft makes some decent antennas.
Their long boomer series is quite acceptable. But the AOP package, of
their 10T 2m and 20T 70cm antennas, is not acceptable. It can work after
a fashion, but compared to other antenna systems available, it trails
the pack. Some of the problems are that the antenna lobes aren't on
boresite, the phasing arrangement and gamma matches are mickey mouse,
the SWR and performance change markedly when wet, and antenna mechanics
leave a lot to be desired.

>I wonder what is the "better" antenna combination for 144/430? Is the KLM
>that great?

Yes! The KLM22C and 40CX are that great. When used with the optional
fiberglass crossboom, the two antennas boresite to the same point in
space, the feed networks are good, they're more or less immune to
environmental issues like rain and ice, and antenna mechanical construction
is sound. (The extra gain over the AOP package doesn't hurt either.)

I haven't tried the Hy Gain antennas, but I hear that they're really
ruggedly built. Whether their electrical performance is good or not,
I don't know. I do know this, most of the better mode B stations run
the KLM antennas. When I switched from Cushcraft to the KLMs, I went
from only being able to hear and work the strong stations to being able
to hear the spin modulation on the transponder noise floor, and being
able to work *any* station that could get a signal up to the noise floor.

In between the AOP and the KLMs I had up 4 Cushcraft 32-19 long boomers
in a box array with 4 424B long boomers in another box array. That system
worked, but not being CP I got a lot of spin modulation, and because of
the size I burnt out my elevation rotator. The KLMs have nearly as much
gain, are circular polarized, and are mechanically much easier to handle.

If you can't afford both antennas, at least get the 22C for two meter
downlink. With a good mast mount preamp you'll be able to hear anything
down to the transponder noise floor. That's all you can do. You can
compensate for a lesser 70 cm antenna by turning up the wick on the
amplifier, but you need to be able to hear as well as possible.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |

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Date: 15 Mar 1994 08:15:23 -0800
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eff!news.kei.com!ssd.intel.com!chnews!ornews.intel.com!ornews.intel.com![e-mail]
Subject: Antennas
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:


>Yes! The KLM22C and 40CX are that great. When used with the optional
>fiberglass crossboom, the two antennas boresite to the same point in
>space, the feed networks are good, they're more or less immune to
>environmental issues like rain and ice, and antenna mechanical construction
>is sound. (The extra gain over the AOP package doesn't hurt either.)

    I had the AOP package and it worked fine, except when the satellite
    was marginal. I had a 100W amp and this did not help the strength
    of the uplink. Downlink is OK and aided with an in-shack GaAs
    preamp. I upgraded to the 40CX which degraded with time. Turned out
    the minibox housing the relay was not entirely sealed, filled with
    water and ruined the SWR/performance. Make sure that box is well
    sealed! I'm still using the AOP 2M ant. for receive.

        George
        WB6YZZ

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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 16:58:39 GMT
From: pacbell.com!att-out!att-in!news.bu.edu!olivea!charnel!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!csd.unb.ca![e-mail]
Subject: DSP2232 and STEP Function
To: [e-mail]

Just a quick question to those who have received the Dec 1993 upgrade for
the DSP2232. I was wondering if anyone has received any information with
respect to the step funtion for radio frequency control of doppler effect?
It seems to me that the funtion is non-operable when using PB ( KISS Mode )
and I wonder if so - what is it's purpose at least for the digital
satellites. I would like to hear from anyone who has more information as to
the funtion over what is in the manual - esp as to what the numbers signify
on the front of the unit.

Thanks  - Dave, VY2DCS
Internet: [e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 12:01:57 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!crcnis1.unl.edu!news.unomaha.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Guide to the Personal Radio Newsgroups
To: [e-mail]

Posted-By: auto-faq 3.2.1.2
Archive-name: radio/personal-intro
Revision: 1.5 12/18/93 14:15:53
Changes: new mailing lists, .packet rmgroup, and .policy updates

(Note:  The following is reprinted with the permission of the author.)

This message describes the rec.radio.amateur.*, rec.radio.cb, rec.radio.info,
and rec.radio.swap newsgroups. It is intended to serve as a guide for the new
reader on what to find where. Questions and comments may be directed to the
author, Jay Maynard, K5ZC, by Internet electronic mail at
[e-mail]. This message was last changed on 18 September
1993 to add the mailing lists for the new rec.radio.amateur newsgroups, to
note the rmgroup of rec.radio.amateur.packet, and to officially retire some
(in)famous threads of discussion on rec.radio.amateur.policy.

History
=======

Way back when, before there was a Usenet, the Internet hosted a mailing list
for hams, called (appropriately enough) INFO-HAMS. Ham radio discussions
were held on the mailing list, and sent to the mailboxes of those who had
signed up for it. When the Usenet software was created, and net news as we
now know it was developed, a newsgroup was created for hams: net.ham-radio.
The mailing list and the newsgroup were gatewayed together, eventually.

As the net grew, and as packet radio came into vogue, packet discussion began
to dominate other topics in the group and on the list. This resulted in the
logical solution: a group was created to hold the packet discussion, and
another corresponding mailing list was created as well: net.ham-radio.packet
and PACKET-RADIO, respectively.

These two groups served for several years, and went through Usenet's Great
Renaming essentially unchanged, moving from net.ham-radio[.packet] to
rec.ham-radio[.packet]. Readership and volume grew with the rest of the
network.

The INFO-HAMS mailing list was originally run from a US Army computer at
White Sands Missile Range, SIMTEL20. There were few problems with this
arrangement, but one was that the system was not supposed to be used for
commercial purposes. Since one of hams' favorite pastimes is swapping
gear, it was natural for hams to post messages about equipment for sale
to INFO-HAMS/rec.ham-radio. This ran afoul of SIMTEL20's no-commercial-use
restriction, and after some argument, a group was created specifically
for messages like that: rec.ham-radio.swap. This group wasn't gatewayed to
a mailing list, thus avoiding problems.

While all this was happening, other folks wanted to discuss other aspects
of the world of radio than the personal communications services. Those
folks created the rec.radio.shortwave and rec.radio.noncomm newsgroups,
and established the precedent of the rec.radio.* hierarchy, which in turn
reflected Usenet's overall trend toward a hierarchical name structure.

The debate between proponents of a no-code ham radio license and its opponents
grew fierce and voluminous in late 1989 and 1990. Eventually, both sides grew
weary of the debate, and those who had not been involved even more so. A
proposal for a newsgroup dedicated to licensing issues failed. A later
proposal was made for a group that would cover the many recurring legal issues
discussions. During discussion of the latter proposal, it became clear that it
would be desirable to fit the ham radio groups under the rec.radio.*
hierarchy. A full-blown reorganization was passed by Usenet voters in January
1991, leading to the overall structure we now use.

After the reorganization, more and more regular information postings began to
appear, and were spread out across the various groups in rec.radio.*. Taking
the successful example of the news.answers group, where informational postings
from across the net are sent, the group rec.radio.info was created in
December, 1992, with Mark Salyzyn, VE6MGS, initially serving as moderator.

In January, 1993, many users started complaining about the volume in
rec.radio.amateur.misc. This led to a discussion about a second
reorganization, which sparked the creation of a mailing list by Ian Kluft,
KD6EUI. This list, which was eventually joined by many of the most prolific
posters to the ham radio groups, came up with a proposal to add 11 groups to
the rec.radio.amateur hierarchy in April 1993. The subsequent vote, held in
May and early June, approved the creation of five groups:
rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc (to replace .packet), .equipment, .homebrew,
.antenna, and .space.

The Current Groups
==================

I can hear you asking, "OK, so this is all neat history, but what does it
have to do with me now?" The answer is that the history of each group has
a direct bearing on what the group is used for, and what's considered
appropriate where.

The easy one is rec.radio.amateur.misc. It is what rec.ham-radio was renamed
to during the reorganization. Any message that's not more appropriate in one
of the other groups belongs here, from contesting to DX to ragchewing on VHF
to information on becoming a ham.

The group rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc is for discussions related to
(surprise!) digital amateur radio. This doesn't have to be the common
two-meter AX.25 variety of packet radio, either; some of the most
knowledgeable folks in radio digital communications can be found here, and
anything in the general area is welcome. The name was changed to emphasize
this, and to encourage discussion not only of other text-based digital modes,
such as AMTOR, RTTY, and Clover, but things like digital voice and video as
well. The former group, rec.radio.amateur.packet, should be removed by
September 21st, 1993. It is obsolete, and you should use .digital.misc
instead (or the appropriate new mailing list, mentioned below).  The group
has .misc as part of the name to allow further specialization if the users
wish it, such as .digital.tcp-ip.

The swap group is now rec.radio.swap. This recognizes a fact that became
evident shortly after the original group was formed: Hams don't just swap ham
radio gear, and other folks besides hams swap ham equipment. If you have radio
equipment, or test gear, or computer stuff that hams would be interested in,
here's the place. Equipment wanted postings belong here too. Discussions about
the equipment generally don't; if you wish to discuss a particular posting
with the buyer, email is a much better way to do it, and the other groups,
especially .equipment and .homebrew, are the place for public discussions.
There is now a regular posting with information on how to go about buying and
selling items in rec.radio.swap; please refer to it before you post there.

The first reorganization added two groups to the list, one of which is
rec.radio.amateur.policy. This group was created as a place for all the
discussions that seem to drag on interminably about the many rules,
regulations, legalities, and policies that surround amateur radio, both
existing and proposed.  Recent changes to the Amateur Radio Rules (FCC
Part 97) have finally laid to rest the Great Usenet Pizza Autopatch Debate
as well as complaints about now-preempted local scanner laws hostile to
amateurs, but plenty of discussion about what a bunch of rotten no-goodniks
the local frequency coordinating body is, as well as the neverending no-code
debate, may still be found here.

The other added group is rec.radio.cb. This is the place for all discussion
about the Citizens' Band radio service. Such discussions have been very
inflammatory in rec.ham-radio in the past; please do not cross-post to both
rec.radio.cb and rec.radio.amateur.* unless the topic is genuinely of interest
to both hams and CBers - and very few topics are.

The rec.radio.info group is just what its name implies: it's the place where
informational messages from across rec.radio.* may be found, regardless of
where else they're posted. As of this writing, information posted to the group
includes Cary Oler's daily solar progagation bulletins, ARRL bulletins, the
Frequently Asked Questions files for the various groups, and radio
modification instructions. This group is moderated, so you cannot post to it
directly; if you try, even if your message is crossposted to one of the other
groups, your message will be mailed to the moderator, who is currently Mark
Salyzyn, VE6MGS. The email address for submissions to the group is
[e-mail]. Inquires and other administrivia should be
directed to [e-mail]. For more information about
rec.radio.info, consult the introduction and posting guidelines that are
regularly posted to that newsgroup.

The groups rec.radio.amateur.antenna, .equipment, .homebrew, and .space are
for more specialized areas of ham radio: discussions about antennas,
commercially-made equipment, homebrewing, and amateur radio space operations.
The .equipment group is not the place for buying or selling equipment; that's
what rec.radio.swap is for. Similarly, the .space group is specifically about
amateur radio in space, such as the OSCAR program and SAREX, the Shuttle
Amateur Radio EXperiment; other groups cover other aspects of satellites and
space. Homebrewing isn't about making your own alcoholic beverages at home
(that's rec.crafts.brewing), but rather construction of radio and electronic
equipment by the amateur experimenter.

Except for rec.radio.swap and rec.radio.cb, all of these newsgroups are
available by Internet electronic mail in digest format; send a mail message
containing "help" on a line by itself to [e-mail] for instructions
on how to use the mail server.

All of the groups can be posted to by electronic mail, though, by using a
gateway at the University of Texas at Austin. To post a message this way,
change the name of the group you wish to post to by replacing all of the '.'s
with '-'s - for example, rec.radio.swap becomes rec-radio-swap - and send to
that [e-mail] ([e-mail], for example). You may
crosspost by including multiple addresses as Cc: entries (but see below). This
gateway's continued availability is at the pleasure of the admins at
UT-Austin, and is subject to going away at any time - and especially if
forgeries and other net.abuses become a problem. You have been warned.

A Few Words on Crossposting
===========================

Please do not crosspost messages to two or more groups unless there is genuine
interest in both groups in the topic being discussed, and when you do, please
include a header line of the form "Followup-To: group.name" in your article's
headers (before the first blank line). This will cause followups to your
article to go to the group listed in the Followup-To: line. If you wish
to have replies to go to you by email, rather than be posted, use the word
"poster" instead of the name of a group. Such a line appears in the headers
of this article.

One of the few examples of productive cross-posting is with the rec.radio.info
newsgroup. To provide a filtered presentation of information articles, while
still maintaining visibility in their home newsgroups, the moderator strongly
encourages cross-posting. All information articles should be submitted to the
rec.radio.info moderator so that he may simultaneously cross-post your
information to the appropriate newsgroups. Most newsreaders will only present
the article once, and network bandwidth is conserved since only one article is
propagated. If you make regular informational postings, and have made
arrangements with the moderator to post directly to the group, please
cross-post as appropriate.

--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
[e-mail]      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
      "If my car ran OS/2, it'd be there by now" -- bumper sticker
                 GCS d++ p+ c++ l+ m+/- s/++ g++ w++ t+ r

--
73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU

[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 17:44:46 MST
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!ve6mgs![e-mail]
Subject: Two-Line Orbital Element Set:  Space Shuttle
To: [e-mail]

The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are
carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) *253-9767*, and are updated daily (when
possible).  Documentation and tracking software are also available on this
system.  As a service to the satellite user community, the most current
elements for the current shuttle mission are provided below.  The Celestial
BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, 2400, 4800, or 9600 bps using
8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.

Element sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation
and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil
(129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space.

STS 62
1 23025U 94015A   94073.32846065  .00069430  75427-5  98989-4 0   257
2 23025  39.0144 184.6491 0007547 262.5411 240.1813 16.04851851  1551
--
Dr TS Kelso                           Assistant Professor of Space Operations
[e-mail]                    Air Force Institute of Technology

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